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[0:05] Good morning, dear respected teacher,
[0:08] dear beloved community.
[0:13] This is where I'm supposed to remember
[0:14] the date. I can't remember the date. 2nd
[0:17] of what? 20 22nd of June.
[0:24] 2025. Right. I can know I know that
[0:26] much.
[0:28] Uh yes. And we are in the upper hamlet
[0:31] of Plum Village in France on the second
[0:34] day of our retreat for scientists and
[0:39] not just scientists
[0:42] uh scient
[0:54] uh
[0:55] I'm supposed to give a short talk.
[1:01] Yeah, I think I can see some of you know
[1:04] my reputation already.
[1:08] So, I'm going to do my best.
[1:10] How's the sound? Is it is it okay? Yeah.
[1:16] So, there is there is so much that we
[1:18] would like to share with you. Um,
[1:26] and
[1:28] I'd actually like to know kind of who's
[1:31] in the room.
[1:34] [Music]
[1:35] Well, there's many ways of asking that
[1:37] question, but just permit me to to do a
[1:40] little experiment.
[1:42] Is there anybody here who identifies as
[1:45] a mathematician? You can raise your
[1:47] hand.
[1:49] Yeah, I'm I'm going to put one finger
[1:51] up.
[1:53] I don't really identify as a
[1:54] mathematician, but that's one thing that
[1:56] I did at one point a long time ago.
[1:59] Okay, physicists.
[2:01] Oh, yeah, we got some physicists. Great.
[2:04] You can raise your hand more than once
[2:05] if you want. Chemists.
[2:09] Yeah, we got a few uh biologists.
[2:13] Oh, yeah. Okay. Good number of
[2:15] biologists. Wonderful.
[2:18] Uh, physiologists.
[2:21] Anyone? Yeah. Okay. Good.
[2:23] Pharmacologists.
[2:26] Yeah, we got a pharmacologist. At least
[2:28] one. Uh, what else have we got?
[2:31] Ecologists.
[2:33] Yeah, I see some hands. Okay. Wonderful.
[2:37] Um,
[2:39] zoologologist.
[2:41] Yes. One, two, some. Okay. Uh,
[2:47] engineers.
[2:49] Oh, yeah. Engine. Hello. Engineers.
[2:53] Wonderful. Um, computer scientists.
[2:56] Oh, hello. Yes.
[3:00] Uh, AI. Anyone working on AI? Yeah.
[3:03] Okay, cool. Hello.
[3:06] Um, what else? Geologists. Any
[3:08] geologists?
[3:12] One. Oh, welcome. We have a geologist.
[3:15] Wonderful.
[3:18] Okay. Uh I'm going to miss tons. Um so I
[3:22] think there's quite a lot of people in
[3:23] the medical space. So uh doctors.
[3:28] Yeah. A lot of doctors, psychiatrists,
[3:33] psychologists,
[3:36] and therapists.
[3:39] Okay. A lot of people in the kind of
[3:42] healing space.
[3:45] Um,
[3:47] philosophers.
[3:50] Yeah. Okay. Uh, oh, neuroscientists.
[3:54] Ah, there you are.
[3:57] Okay. Cognitive science. Okay. Maybe
[4:01] raise your hand again. Yeah. Okay.
[4:03] Wonderful. And I'm Forgive me. I've I
[4:07] don't Why don't we uh you can call out
[4:10] if I didn't mention your discipline.
[4:12] Musicologist.
[4:13] Musiccologist. Okay. Wonderful. Welcome.
[4:17] Socialist.
[4:20] Anthropologist.
[4:22] Anthropologist. You can raise your hand.
[4:24] Yay.
[4:25] Social research.
[4:26] Social research. Yeah. Anyone in social
[4:29] research?
[4:30] Social scientist.
[4:32] Social scientists. Social scientists.
[4:34] Yes.
[4:34] Scientists. Contemplative scientist. I'm
[4:37] gonna put my hand up for that one.
[4:40] Artist.
[4:41] Artist.
[4:42] Artistic research.
[4:44] Artistic research. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
[4:47] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[4:49] Astronomer.
[4:50] Astronomer. Yes. Okay. Anyone else?
[4:54] Lawyers.
[4:54] Ast astrophysicists. Anyone? You got
[4:57] astrophysicists in the room? Lawyers.
[5:00] Yeah. Okay.
[5:03] I mean, why not?
[5:05] Great.
[5:08] Anything else?
[5:09] Pedagogues.
[5:10] Pedagogues. Yeah.
[5:14] Pedogy. Anyone? Education. Yeah, I'm
[5:17] probably in there, too. Maybe. Any uh
[5:22] any uh
[5:24] any meditators?
[5:28] Yeah, there's a few. Yeah.
[5:32] Okay. pretty interesting. Thank you.
[5:35] Thank you for participating my little
[5:38] survey.
[5:40] Two two weeks ago or three maybe three
[5:42] weeks ago, uh we had a retreat for
[5:44] artists
[5:46] and a big part of my um store
[5:50] consciousness. Yesterday we learned
[5:51] about store consciousness. So a lot of
[5:54] the seeds in my store consciousness were
[5:56] resonating
[5:58] happily with the artists.
[6:03] And
[6:05] now we have a retreat for scientists.
[6:08] And a lot of seeds in my store
[6:10] consciousness are also resonating
[6:12] happily.
[6:14] And I can see a lot of friends
[6:17] in this group,
[6:20] past friends, present friends, and and
[6:23] probably future friends.
[6:26] Um and I feel there's a lot of uh shared
[6:30] interests and affinities also between us
[6:34] between us all.
[6:37] Um,
[6:40] so
[6:41] there are so many rabbit holes that I
[6:44] could
[6:45] kind of dive down this morning and I'm
[6:47] going to really try my best not to do
[6:50] that and to stay on the uh on some kind
[6:54] of path.
[6:57] And um
[7:04] I want to propose to you that uh you
[7:06] know following on from what sister
[7:08] Langim shared yesterday that there's
[7:10] some kind of affinity between meditators
[7:13] and scientists and this is something
[7:15] that our teacher proposed as well that
[7:18] we share
[7:19] um the the need or the desire to
[7:22] discover.
[7:26] We are curious. We want to find out
[7:30] things. Find out why and how
[7:36] and what maybe.
[7:39] And um
[7:43] I think there's another thing that we
[7:45] share in principle which is a commitment
[7:48] to being open-minded.
[7:52] in principle.
[7:57] And sometimes as meditators or Buddhists
[8:01] or people on a spiritual path, we
[8:06] may
[8:07] lose our open-mindedness and we become
[8:10] very overconfident.
[8:13] Um or we become rigid
[8:17] or very certain.
[8:21] we may start to think that we know
[8:24] and it's very dangerous. So could you
[8:27] also raise your hand if this is your
[8:29] first time in Plum Village?
[8:32] Wonderful. Welcome. So you have a big
[8:35] advantage
[8:38] because
[8:40] you have beginner's mind.
[8:44] This is your first time. You get to have
[8:46] this first experience. For the rest of
[8:48] us, it is much harder.
[8:51] we're in trouble. We're in big trouble
[8:53] because we may we may have the tendency
[8:56] to think that we know. So, we need to be
[8:59] very careful. This is uh and I say that
[9:02] to myself as scientists as well. Um, in
[9:06] principle, we're committed to openness,
[9:09] open-mindedness, and kind of um
[9:11] objective objectivity
[9:14] and uh being willing to release our our
[9:20] views and our
[9:22] ways of understanding in order to to
[9:24] progress and to, you know, to adopt new
[9:27] ways of understanding.
[9:29] We know that um well according to
[9:34] uh at least some theories of uh
[9:37] philosophy of science science advances
[9:41] in the process of paradigm change. So
[9:44] for a paradigm to change uh there has to
[9:47] be a willingness of some people at least
[9:49] to let go of one way of thinking. Um and
[9:54] that can be very hard to do especially
[9:56] if we are good at that way of thinking
[9:59] and our career has become attached or or
[10:02] sort of uh we we've been successful in
[10:07] one way of thinking.
[10:10] Um
[10:13] so
[10:15] for me I think the one of the functions
[10:18] of this retreat and maybe of this
[10:19] practice can be to see if we can be
[10:22] better scientists
[10:25] and maybe better meditators
[10:28] uh or better Buddhists if you're a
[10:30] Buddhist. I don't know. I'm not even
[10:31] sure that I'm a Buddhist by the way. So
[10:34] we'll see. But um
[10:37] how openminded
[10:39] can we be? How willing to release our
[10:43] current ways of knowing
[10:47] um can we be? This is in relation to
[10:50] also what sister Langim shared about
[10:52] yesterday as the obstacle of knowledge.
[10:55] That which we think we know.
[11:00] There's nothing wrong with knowledge.
[11:02] But when knowledge becomes certainty um
[11:05] or attachment to knowledge, it can be a
[11:08] big obstacle.
[11:12] So we need to be willing to uh to to
[11:15] release it,
[11:17] especially when it comes in the form of
[11:21] um assumptions about the nature of
[11:23] reality. And some of those assumptions
[11:25] about the nature of the reality may
[11:27] about the nature of reality may not be
[11:31] um acknowledged.
[11:33] They may be partly invisible to us. They
[11:36] just may be part of a kind of consensus
[11:40] reality
[11:42] uh that we no longer question. Maybe we
[11:44] felt like we could question it when we
[11:46] were 18.
[11:48] You know, it was like cool to question
[11:50] everything and then at a certain point
[11:51] you to get on with life and start
[11:54] publishing and, you know,
[11:58] be a grown-up
[12:01] and live in the real world. Very
[12:03] important business, living in the real
[12:05] world.
[12:07] Um, so
[12:11] we're going to see
[12:13] if we can maybe reveal some of these
[12:16] hidden assumptions
[12:18] or unagnowledged assumptions and allow
[12:21] ourselves to question them again. Um
[12:29] and so in the course of doing that um
[12:33] whether in the next hour or in the next
[12:36] few days there may be moments where you
[12:38] feel challenged or you you feel even a
[12:44] kind of reaction coming up. So I invite
[12:48] you just to notice that and become
[12:51] curious about that and kind of say, "Oh,
[12:55] look, I'm reacting. How interesting. I'm
[12:59] being challenged in what I believe to be
[13:01] the case. How interesting."
[13:04] Um, and the more we can be interested in
[13:08] that and then we we kind of have a
[13:11] chance to uh
[13:15] um
[13:18] yeah maybe to to discover something new.
[13:23] So um
[13:30] yesterday sister Langim uh I don't for I
[13:35] don't know how many of you realized but
[13:36] in one and a half hours she basically
[13:39] gave you what would usually be unfolded
[13:41] in the course of about a week in plum
[13:43] village. So this is an advanced course
[13:46] in um Buddhist psychology
[13:50] and so um there may be some things which
[13:53] I'll lightly revisit but I'll also try
[13:55] to keep us moving moving forward but I
[13:57] just want to point out that
[14:00] um maybe some of these hidden
[14:04] assumptions that might be there kind of
[14:06] resonating in in the space. So when we
[14:10] draw a circle on the board and we give a
[14:12] map or a model of consciousness and we
[14:14] say this is store consciousness, this is
[14:16] mind consciousness
[14:18] and then the layer in between which call
[14:20] manas
[14:22] um
[14:24] we may read that in particular ways
[14:26] based on some assumptions that we have
[14:29] about the nature of consciousness. So
[14:32] one assumption that may or may not be
[14:34] here in the room that you may or may not
[14:37] subscribe to
[14:39] um is that uh consciousness
[14:43] is a function of the brain.
[14:50] Maybe maybe not. Or that consciousness
[14:53] is uh is localized
[14:56] in the brain.
[14:59] Um there may also be a tendency to
[15:03] assume the computer metaphor of um
[15:08] consciousness or of or of brain actually
[15:10] brain as computer
[15:13] is a metaphor which is so ubiquitous at
[15:16] the moment that sort of whether or not
[15:17] we actually subscribe to it we may
[15:19] inadvertently lean on it a lot of the
[15:22] time and it it it shows up in our
[15:25] language all the time.
[15:27] Um, we talk about uh, you know, updating
[15:30] our mental operating system.
[15:33] You know, we talk about bandwidth. Oh, I
[15:35] don't have the bandwidth for that,
[15:39] right? Um,
[15:42] there's probably many other expressions.
[15:45] Um, and there's even an underlying
[15:47] metaphor, an older one,
[15:52] which we may inadvertently be leaning on
[15:54] at all, which is body as machine.
[15:58] Right. So this has a close connection
[16:01] with the concept of self.
[16:07] So uh body's machine I think is as old
[16:11] as the industrial revolution. Say oh I'm
[16:13] I'm running out of steam.
[16:16] I'm running out of steam. How
[16:19] interesting
[16:21] you know. Oh I I need a tuneup.
[16:26] uh or I'm running on all cylinders,
[16:31] right? I mean, these are I mean, I'm
[16:32] sorry if English isn't your first
[16:34] language, but there must be equivalent
[16:36] expressions, I think, in in in most of
[16:39] our languages.
[16:41] Um,
[16:44] my body is a welloiled machine. I mean,
[16:46] that's barely even a metaphor anymore,
[16:49] right? It's so in your face.
[16:53] And yet so so what are the consequences
[16:55] of this metaphor? For example, we may
[16:57] think that we are relatively unaffected
[17:01] by what we consume.
[17:04] That there is an eye,
[17:07] a a person, a self, an entity
[17:11] which exists,
[17:14] which is relatively constant
[17:17] and which uh consumes fuel. Right? So
[17:21] body as machine entails food as fuel,
[17:26] right? So if if I'm a machine, then the
[17:29] machine needs fuel. And and the thing
[17:31] about machines is that they are
[17:32] relatively unaffected or unchanged by
[17:35] the passage of fuel through them, right?
[17:37] You put petrol into a car or gas if
[17:40] you're in America
[17:42] and um and then it it burns,
[17:47] right? and you get exhaust and heat and
[17:50] motion,
[17:52] but the car, the substance of the car
[17:55] appears to be relatively unaffected. Of
[17:58] course, there's wear and tear, right? Is
[18:00] you know, friction and things break
[18:01] down, but ultimately the car is the car.
[18:04] The fuel passes through it
[18:07] and is burned and released as exhaust.
[18:12] The same is not true of us.
[18:16] We are not machines,
[18:21] right? The food doesn't just pass
[18:23] through us. It also becomes us.
[18:27] It is us.
[18:31] Like we an organic entity is is in a
[18:34] much deeper process of communication,
[18:36] interaction, resonance, transformation.
[18:40] And we're not only affected by the food
[18:42] that we eat,
[18:44] right? We're also transformed and in and
[18:47] and in flux in a in a state of flow with
[18:51] what we consume through our senses.
[18:55] I sometimes do a little experiment.
[18:56] There's a Okay. Anyone in the Buddhism
[18:59] and mental health Toronto psychology
[19:02] class? What was it called? That class
[19:04] that we did together, Ellie's class, put
[19:06] up your hand. Yes. So, I don't know if I
[19:09] did this experiment with you, but it's
[19:10] an experiment I like to do sometimes,
[19:12] which is to we organize ourselves in
[19:15] pairs. I'm not going to have time to do
[19:17] it now, so I'll just tell you about it.
[19:19] We form into pairs and then I ask one of
[19:23] one member of the pair to be um the
[19:26] listener and the other person shares.
[19:28] And the idea is that
[19:31] the one who shares their task is to
[19:33] share the most joyful, uplifting,
[19:36] inspirational thing that happened to
[19:38] them in the last week. Say,
[19:43] so you think of the most amazing thing
[19:45] that happened to you and you just tell
[19:47] the other person about it. And the task
[19:50] of the person who's listening is to be
[19:52] completely indifferent
[19:56] and unmoved.
[19:59] So you have to sit there
[20:06] and not react. And of course it's
[20:09] utterly impossible.
[20:11] So nobody nobody is able to do it so
[20:15] far. And I've run this experiment many
[20:16] many times. Nobody can do it. and they
[20:17] all end up smiling. They end up
[20:19] laughing,
[20:21] you know, and they and then you switch
[20:23] and the other person tries, it doesn't
[20:25] work.
[20:26] And the point of that is to demonstrate
[20:29] that what we maybe think of as our
[20:33] feelings or my feelings, they're not
[20:35] mine. They don't exist in inside some
[20:40] kind of impermeable boundary.
[20:44] We are utterly permeable to feeling
[20:49] maybe much more so than we realize.
[20:54] So feeling is also a kind of food,
[20:58] right? The um the the the quality of
[21:04] um
[21:06] feeling of the people around us.
[21:10] We are consuming it. It becomes part of
[21:12] us. It changes us. It affects us.
[21:16] We could talk about the quality of
[21:17] collective consciousness.
[21:19] You know, I when I first came to Pum
[21:21] Village, I heard this term collective
[21:23] consciousness. I immediately had my, you
[21:25] know, my skeptical face. I was like,
[21:26] "Uh-huh." Yeah. Collective
[21:29] consciousness. Sure.
[21:32] Yeah. Yeah.
[21:34] Sounds like superstitious
[21:36] woo woo babble, you know? I don't know.
[21:40] I don't know about that
[21:42] because I had the assumption that
[21:44] consciousness is a function of the
[21:46] brain, right? And that consciousness is
[21:48] located in the brain
[21:51] which also sits on top of so that sits
[21:54] on top of the brain as computer metaphor
[21:57] and the body as machine metaphor which
[22:00] all sits on top of the
[22:03] scientific materialist assumption that
[22:06] reality is made up of matter.
[22:10] and energy which obeys or maybe
[22:13] physicalism is more more exact and and
[22:16] that matter and energy obey the laws of
[22:18] physics everywhere throughout all of
[22:21] time and space in exactly the same way
[22:24] maybe with the exception of the big bang
[22:27] but details
[22:31] but that that assumption for me was was
[22:33] not I didn't realize that it was an
[22:35] assumption for me it was it was a sort
[22:37] of matter of settled
[22:39] fact.
[22:42] Okay, that's one of the rabbit holes
[22:44] that I'm not going to go down.
[22:49] It's hard.
[22:52] Okay, don't go down the rabbit hole.
[22:56] We'll try. We're going to try. Okay. So
[22:59] some other things that might be
[23:03] um happening
[23:08] um when we talk about store
[23:10] consciousness and mind consciousness and
[23:13] manass
[23:17] store consciousness and and and then
[23:21] sort of translate it or or identify it
[23:24] with things that are more familiar like
[23:27] um you know if you're a union collective
[23:30] unconscious, right? Or if you're a
[23:32] Freudian,
[23:33] the uh unconscious, right?
[23:37] And um
[23:40] and if you're a neuroscientist, you
[23:42] might think, oh, background
[23:43] consciousness, that's background
[23:45] consciousness. And you think of mind
[23:47] consciousness, you might associate it
[23:48] with there are different terms,
[23:50] workspace consciousness, access
[23:53] consciousness,
[23:55] right? So it's helpful up to a point.
[23:58] But it's very very important
[24:02] uh to be aware of those identifications
[24:06] if we're making them and to know that
[24:07] they may or may not be correct.
[24:11] So another has anyone read um thinking
[24:14] fast and slow uh conne
[24:18] so so conne identifies system one and
[24:20] system two. So system one is
[24:24] um kind of uh the part of our mind which
[24:27] does automatic parallel processing which
[24:30] is very rapid and mostly unconscious
[24:34] and could be called basically our
[24:37] intuition or gut sense or or making a a
[24:41] quick you know quick judgments without
[24:43] effortful calculation.
[24:45] system two is the effortful
[24:48] you know very glucose inensive process
[24:51] of actually thinking through problems
[24:53] and calculating and you know checking
[24:56] the evidence and so on. So, so Connean
[24:58] is big on system two, not so big on
[25:00] system one. He says we need to be
[25:02] careful. We we make use of system one
[25:04] all the time and it's kind of
[25:05] unreliable.
[25:08] Um,
[25:10] and some people might have the tendency
[25:12] to think, oh, system one, that's store
[25:13] consciousness, that's the parallel rapid
[25:15] parallel processing. And up to a point,
[25:18] yes, up to a point. There might also be
[25:22] a tendency to want to locate store
[25:25] consciousness and mind consciousness in
[25:27] the brain. Right? If you believe that
[25:29] consciousness is a function of brain,
[25:30] then it's natural to say, well, okay,
[25:34] maybe there are parts of the brain that
[25:36] that kind of underwrite
[25:39] what we call store consciousness and
[25:41] other parts of the brain that underwrite
[25:42] what we call mind consciousness.
[25:46] So some people have I mean I know when I
[25:49] first encountered the term store
[25:51] consciousness I thought oh that sounds
[25:53] like the cerebellum.
[25:55] So if you know anything about the brain
[25:57] it's when Tai would present store
[26:00] consciousness and I think sister
[26:01] Langnium did this yesterday uh she
[26:03] talked about the ability of store
[26:04] consciousness to learn uh sequenced
[26:08] tasks and to automate things. So when we
[26:11] learn to drive at first it's very
[26:12] effortful and after a while we can do it
[26:16] without conscious effort and you so
[26:19] that's sort of store consciousness has
[26:21] learned and we know I believe uh in in
[26:26] neuroscience the cerebellum seems to be
[26:29] seems to have an important role in this
[26:31] kind of learning of sequenced tasks and
[26:34] the kind of unconscious uh
[26:38] um execution of those sequence
[26:41] activities like you learn the steps of a
[26:43] dance, you learn to drive, you
[26:46] uh I don't know, you can think of more
[26:50] examples. Um, so there's another
[26:55] tendency I've noticed that some people
[26:57] when they learn about the differences of
[27:00] the two hemispheres, so there's the the
[27:03] way of bringing experience into being of
[27:06] the left hemisphere and the way of
[27:08] bringing experience into being of the
[27:09] right hemisphere seem to have very
[27:11] different characters.
[27:13] And if you've gone down that rabbit
[27:15] hole, you might think, "Okay, right
[27:17] hemisphere, that sounds like store
[27:18] consciousness. Left hemisphere sounds
[27:20] more like mind consciousness." I don't
[27:22] know how relevant this is for any of
[27:24] you, but if it is, be careful.
[27:28] Be aware.
[27:32] Um,
[27:34] this is just kind of warnings.
[27:40] So,
[27:49] in the course of this retreat,
[27:52] um,
[28:03] no, that's another rabbit hole. Don't go
[28:04] down that rabbit hole. Okay.
[28:08] That is a massive rabbit hole. Not even
[28:10] going to tell you what it is. Okay.
[28:15] So instead I'm gonna so building on what
[28:18] sister Langium shared yesterday. I'm
[28:21] going to talk about some of the mental
[28:25] formations. So if you remember she said
[28:27] in store consciousness is all the seeds
[28:29] and when the seeds are touched by you
[28:32] know sense impressions
[28:35] they manifest in mind consciousness as
[28:37] mental formations.
[28:40] So
[28:42] we may have a tendency when we first
[28:44] encounter mental formations to think
[28:46] about
[28:48] things that are more like emotions
[28:51] basically. So we think okay anger is a
[28:53] mental formation fine happiness is a
[28:55] mental formation compassion
[28:58] kindness
[28:59] um regret
[29:02] uh vengefulness
[29:04] um deceitfulness
[29:06] uh trust all of these are mental
[29:09] formations and there there are various
[29:10] lists in the Buddhist tradition um quite
[29:13] often it's 51 there are 51 and you can
[29:16] memorize them and it's quite fun and
[29:18] then you can see can I actually
[29:19] distinguish them in my experience Can I
[29:21] because that's the practice to name them
[29:23] when they come up and you see like oh
[29:26] which mental formation or which mental
[29:28] formations
[29:29] are manifest in my mind consciousness
[29:33] right now
[29:37] hopefully mindfulness.
[29:40] Um so
[29:45] what I want to do is to talk about some
[29:48] special mental formations
[29:50] and these are called the five universal
[29:53] mental formations.
[29:55] So they're universal because they
[29:58] operate all the time and they operate at
[30:01] every level of consciousness.
[30:05] And um
[30:09] it might seem kind of technical at
[30:12] first, but there's what's important to
[30:15] to remember when we go into this topic
[30:18] of Buddhist psychology is that it's its
[30:20] purpose is not uh to make theories or
[30:24] descriptions of reality including of
[30:27] consciousness or or
[30:30] mind. The purpose is to help us navigate
[30:33] the problem of suffering and happiness.
[30:39] Right? This is very important.
[30:44] So the first universal mental formation
[30:48] is contact
[30:56] and in Sanskrit that is para.
[31:09] So
[31:12] contact is is defined as a kind of uh
[31:16] a vibration
[31:19] on the surface of store. So store
[31:23] consciousness is sitting there quietly
[31:26] and um something the one of the senses
[31:30] is activated and this is the a little
[31:34] bit technical but the in the the coming
[31:35] together of sense object sense organ and
[31:40] sense consciousness
[31:42] contact manifests. So basically that
[31:46] means for contact to arise there have to
[31:49] be these three things. There has to be
[31:50] let's say in the case of visual contact
[31:54] there has to be uh something to see
[31:57] there has to be an organ of sight the
[32:00] eye and there has to be eye
[32:01] consciousness so the eye alone is not
[32:03] enough there has to be uh consciousness
[32:07] and these co-arise they're not none of
[32:10] them is thought of as ex pre-existing
[32:13] any of the others and then also not
[32:16] conceived of as separately existent
[32:19] Little bit tricky but very important. So
[32:23] basically contact is happening all the
[32:26] time across all our senses in every
[32:29] moment. All our senses we're hearing,
[32:31] we're seeing, we're smelling, tasting,
[32:33] touching, and propriocepting and
[32:36] intercepting. And there's more than five
[32:38] senses, right? I mean, that's another
[32:42] rabbit hole we're not going to go down.
[32:44] But um so there's lots of sensory
[32:46] contact happening all the time.
[32:48] And uh
[32:52] the question is to which contact will we
[32:55] pay attention
[32:58] because there's so much coming in we
[33:00] can't possibly pay attention to all of
[33:02] it. So uh this is where the second
[33:08] universal mental formation comes in
[33:11] which is attention.
[33:18] which is manascara.
[33:29] So
[33:31] mostly
[33:32] when contact is occurring um
[33:37] there's a nice description in in the
[33:39] sort of classical literature which is of
[33:41] a of an insect uh like a water insect
[33:44] you know like a water skater landing on
[33:46] the surface of the water and it causes a
[33:48] ripple but if the ripple is not strong
[33:51] enough then basically it just it fades
[33:54] way. So we are ignoring most of the
[33:58] contact that is happening in every
[34:00] moment. The only reason that we attend
[34:03] to one contact in particular is if it's
[34:07] strong enough or unusual enough,
[34:11] right? So if it's remarkable enough, we
[34:14] our mind is drawn to it and then it
[34:16] becomes attention and this happens very
[34:18] very rapidly. this sequence there's five
[34:22] universal mental formations and the
[34:24] sequence of five is is thought to happen
[34:28] um in you know a few milliseconds
[34:32] basically so it's a very very rapid
[34:35] sequence of of events that kind of are
[34:40] the mechanism of perception or the it's
[34:43] like
[34:46] yeah can be understood as as how
[34:48] perception is arising in every moment.
[34:52] So attention can be of two kinds,
[34:57] appropriate and inappropriate.
[34:59] So there's things to which we can attend
[35:02] that are beneficial
[35:04] that help us
[35:06] cultivate the beautiful things and
[35:08] there's things to which we can attend
[35:10] that are less beneficial that maybe
[35:14] water seeds of fear and hate and anger
[35:17] and so on.
[35:19] So part of this retreat is choosing what
[35:23] kinds of things uh we want to pay
[35:26] attention to and also creating an
[35:27] environment
[35:29] which preferentially
[35:31] offers uh
[35:35] approps of appropriate attention like
[35:38] for example the sound of the bell which
[35:40] we could enjoy right now.
[35:45] So you can see see if you can catch
[35:48] contact and attention. It's very fast.
[36:12] [Music]
[36:19] [Music]
[36:30] [Music]
[37:06] So another way to understand attention
[37:08] is as the basis of the third universal
[37:13] mental formation which is feeling.
[37:17] So what we attend to
[37:21] we have a feeling about
[37:27] this is vana
[37:34] and um that feeling may be of at least
[37:38] three kinds maybe four kinds pleasant
[37:40] could be a pleasant feeling could be
[37:42] unpleasant it could be neutral that's
[37:45] the classical three and then our teacher
[37:47] Thai he added mixed which I think is
[37:50] important. I think a lot of feelings are
[37:52] mixed actually.
[37:55] Um
[37:58] then it gets interesting. Remember this
[38:00] is happening very very fast based on
[38:02] feeling. We have a perception
[38:11] sa
[38:23] And um perception
[38:26] in the classical literature is is said
[38:30] to be the act of deriving a sign
[38:35] deriving a sign um
[38:39] of the object of perception. So that in
[38:42] a sense it's like seeing and recognizing
[38:44] its properties.
[38:46] So when you perceive um this leaf
[38:52] of the orchid,
[38:55] one of its signs or properties is green,
[38:58] right? Its color, its form as well. Um
[39:03] and what very and very quickly with
[39:05] perception they may might come naming.
[39:08] So naming and conceiving having a mental
[39:12] idea about the object of perception is
[39:15] part of the function of perception. It's
[39:18] also happening very rapidly. What we
[39:20] have to be careful about is that it
[39:24] might be a right perception but it could
[39:27] be a wrong perception.
[39:30] And according to the Buddhist teaching,
[39:33] most of our perceptions are wrong.
[39:37] And the problem is that we tend to
[39:40] believe that our perceptions are
[39:42] accurate and we rely on them as being
[39:46] sound essentially and correct.
[39:50] The problem is that in the process of
[39:52] perception, there's also mental
[39:53] construction. So we perceive based on
[39:56] pre-existing mental categories very much
[39:59] including language
[40:01] but also including feeling.
[40:06] And if our feeling is fear,
[40:10] right? It might perceive us, it might
[40:12] cause us to perceive danger when there
[40:14] is no danger. So the example in the
[40:18] classical literature of walking in the
[40:20] at dusk or in the dark
[40:22] and uh you see something on the path in
[40:25] front of you and because it's dark
[40:27] you're afraid and you see a snake and
[40:28] you jump back and then you have an
[40:31] opportunity to take a closer look and
[40:33] you realize it's a rope. It's not a
[40:35] snake but you did see a snake. It's not
[40:37] that you didn't see a snake. That's the
[40:39] problem.
[40:41] The mind paints reality
[40:44] and the painting of reality is so
[40:46] convincing that we actually believe it
[40:49] is reality
[40:51] right but because feeling is first
[40:54] dependent on the feeling you can
[40:56] perceive this or that and it may or may
[40:58] not be accurate.
[41:01] So if you are feeling threatened
[41:05] maybe as a nation
[41:09] then you may have a tendency to perceive
[41:12] uh somebody very quickly you decide they
[41:16] are the enemy and you need to destroy
[41:18] them.
[41:21] Right? This is happening right now.
[41:26] So based on collective fear
[41:30] uh or collective rage you know we have
[41:33] perceptions we're very confident of
[41:35] those perceptions and we act and this is
[41:38] the fifth uh universal
[41:42] mental formation which is valition
[41:48] and um
[41:55] sitta Uh
[42:00] it's the uh the will to act based on
[42:04] what we think the object of our
[42:06] perception is. We kind of choose
[42:09] basically whether to approach
[42:12] or to withdraw or to be in a neutral
[42:15] relationship. So
[42:18] um if we like it then we feel attracted
[42:23] drawn towards. If we don't like it, we
[42:26] think it's dangerous, not good for us or
[42:29] disgusting or you know, we we withdraw
[42:31] or we're indifferent or or neutral.
[42:34] Maybe we have mixed valitions as well.
[42:38] Um but it's very much based on
[42:42] this chain, this very very rapid chain.
[42:48] And um these five mental formations
[42:52] which are happening all of the time it's
[42:54] not also I should have said that it's
[42:56] not just uh what we think of as sense
[43:00] contact but also mental contact. So a
[43:02] thought also gives rise to contact and
[43:05] give can give rise to attention,
[43:07] feeling, perception and valition. And
[43:10] there's also feedback, right? So it's
[43:13] not exactly a linear process.
[43:17] So there it there's also feedback at
[43:19] every level.
[43:22] And these five can be understood to form
[43:25] something like a neural pathway.
[43:28] And the more we go down that neural
[43:30] pathway, the more we have that contact
[43:32] leading to that attention leading to
[43:34] that feeling, that perception and that
[43:35] valition, the stronger it becomes. It
[43:37] becomes a habit. And that habit could be
[43:40] beneficial or unbeneficial.
[43:45] And so the question is are is this
[43:48] process automatic?
[43:51] Are we just
[43:53] mechanically
[43:56] uh you know are we just machines?
[44:00] Can we have freedom?
[44:02] Is freedom possible? So you might like
[44:05] to observe today in walking meditation.
[44:10] You know, in a sense, it's like once
[44:12] you've decided to walk,
[44:15] it's kind of automatic. Like, are you
[44:18] choosing every step
[44:22] or is it are you just on automatic pilot
[44:25] when you eat your lunch?
[44:29] There's so many things happening.
[44:31] Training the tongue is, you know,
[44:34] organizing the chewed food and the non
[44:37] not yet chewed food and moving it around
[44:40] your mouth and teeth and your teeth are,
[44:42] you know, your jaws working and you're
[44:43] swallowing. Is that all automatic? Is it
[44:46] all mechanical
[44:49] or is there the possibility of freedom?
[44:54] Sometimes when you have a habit, maybe
[44:56] an addiction,
[44:58] it might feel like you don't have much
[45:00] freedom that you know once that
[45:04] addiction has been woken up or that
[45:06] desire or that habit you're going down
[45:08] that pathway you can't stop and
[45:11] sometimes no matter how hard you try it
[45:14] doesn't seem like you can do anything
[45:15] about it. You can't resist.
[45:18] So
[45:20] it would be interesting to know if
[45:21] freedom is possible or not.
[45:25] And it's also interesting to me that
[45:28] kind of in
[45:31] I don't know in the modern scientific
[45:32] literature there's there's quite a
[45:33] strong contingent of folks who have you
[45:37] know based on a very comprehensive
[45:39] analysis of the evidence concluded that
[45:41] there is no free will at all.
[45:47] Very interesting.
[45:49] And then you have our teacher Tai who
[45:51] comes along and says something. We had a
[45:53] conversation about this on the lawn
[45:55] yesterday.
[45:56] Says something very
[45:59] kind of deceptively simple. Said
[46:02] mindfulness
[46:04] is free will.
[46:10] So
[46:12] my suggestion would be for you not to
[46:16] take his word for it.
[46:19] Don't believe him.
[46:22] Test.
[46:25] So you can run an experiment in the next
[46:27] few days or in the next few moments and
[46:30] see
[46:34] is it true that mindfulness is free
[46:37] will?
[46:38] What follows from this statement? I've
[46:40] really tried to understand like what
[46:42] does that mean? The first thing that I
[46:44] can conclude when I investigate the
[46:47] nature of my
[46:50] mindfulness energy is that it's not a
[46:53] binary. It's not either I'm mindful or
[46:54] I'm not mindful. I can be more or less
[46:57] mindful. Right? There's degrees of
[46:59] mindfulness. My mindfulness can be more
[47:02] or less powerful
[47:06] depending on how I have lived my day or
[47:09] my days.
[47:11] What have I cultivated? Have I been
[47:13] generating the energy of mindfulness?
[47:15] Right now, if I say generating the the
[47:17] energy of mindfulness in theory, you
[47:19] should know how to do that. How do you
[47:22] generate the energy of mindfulness?
[47:24] Breathing in, I know I'm breathing in.
[47:28] Breathing out, I know I'm breathing out.
[47:32] That is mindfulness of breathing.
[47:36] Just as one example, you know, taking a
[47:38] step, I sense and I feel the contact of
[47:42] my foot with the ground.
[47:46] I feel my foot kissing the earth,
[47:51] lifting,
[47:53] placing.
[47:55] I can feel
[47:57] I'm walking and I know that I'm walking.
[47:59] That is mindfulness of walking, right?
[48:02] I'm eating my breakfast and I know that
[48:04] I'm eating my breakfast. That is
[48:06] mindfulness of breakfast eating.
[48:09] So whatever you're doing, if you know
[48:11] that you you are doing it,
[48:13] you are generating the energy of
[48:16] mindfulness.
[48:18] This is very interesting. So now you
[48:20] know how to generate the energy of
[48:21] mindfulness. At any moment you're always
[48:24] breathing. So you could always be
[48:25] generating energy of mindfulness if you
[48:27] decide that that's something worthwhile
[48:33] and then
[48:34] so your energy of mindfulness can be
[48:36] more or less strong. So if it is true
[48:38] and I'm not saying that it is but if it
[48:41] is true that mindfulness is free will
[48:43] then that would imply that free will
[48:46] also is not binary. It's not either I am
[48:49] free or I am not free. It's not an
[48:52] absolute. I could be more or less free.
[48:57] Right? So I'd say this as a hypothesis
[48:58] and it's for you to test to see is it
[49:01] true that there are times when I have
[49:04] more freedom than others when I'm more
[49:07] able
[49:09] to feel my the impulses to act arising
[49:14] maybe through this rapid chain
[49:17] but I because I've cultivated the energy
[49:19] of mindfulness maybe I have a little
[49:21] moment to say you know what no thank you
[49:26] exactly As sister Langim shared
[49:27] yesterday, you have this little gap,
[49:30] this little option. Say, you know, I
[49:32] don't need to react. I would usually
[49:35] react, but I don't need to react.
[49:39] So this this is a it's a hypothesis,
[49:42] right? So we could do a study. You could
[49:44] say, well, if I practiced mindfulness
[49:46] for a week in Plum Village,
[49:49] would I experience more freedom from my
[49:52] habits?
[49:54] Right? We're not talking about freedom
[49:55] to, right? We're talking about freedom
[49:57] from. So, it's not freedom to choose
[49:59] which kind of breakfast cereal you like,
[50:02] right? It's freedom from being pushed
[50:04] and pulled by our conditioning.
[50:09] And we are very conditioned.
[50:12] But maybe there is the possibility of
[50:14] freedom. So, okay, I think I just have
[50:18] time for this. Um this is this takes to
[50:22] the next very interesting set of mental
[50:25] formations which is the five particular
[50:28] mental formations.
[50:30] So these are the five universal which
[50:32] means they're always operating all the
[50:34] time at every level of consciousness.
[50:36] The five particular mental formations
[50:38] are not always operating
[50:41] but we can activate them should we so
[50:44] choose.
[50:47] Um so the first of the particulars is
[50:50] intention
[50:57] um chanda.
[51:04] So
[51:06] in principle right if we are free then
[51:08] we can have intentions and we can choose
[51:11] like the bell master is free to give
[51:14] rise to the intention to invite the bell
[51:18] in principle.
[51:22] Um I could say a lot more about that but
[51:24] we're I want to give time for the next
[51:26] session. So I'm just going to move on to
[51:28] the second one which is conviction.
[51:34] Adoka.
[51:43] So um
[51:47] it's kind of like you you you have a
[51:50] perception and based on that perception
[51:52] you have a valition which becomes the
[51:56] intention to act and and um
[52:01] conviction is is can also be understood
[52:03] as the confirmation the confirmation of
[52:06] your intention. So it's strengthening.
[52:08] It's a it's a process from intention to
[52:12] confirmation. I'm sure I am going to do
[52:15] this.
[52:17] Um so be careful of conviction. So the
[52:22] conviction is one of the mental
[52:24] formations which also operates with
[52:27] manass. Manass is very sure.
[52:32] Right? So for a long time I think in
[52:36] in the west we may have believed that uh
[52:40] that certainty is something that arises
[52:43] on the basis of um the kind of rational
[52:46] evaluation of evidence. I look at the
[52:49] evidence and I make up my mind. If I'm
[52:52] sure it's because I've looked at the
[52:53] evidence. What we now know from
[52:55] neuroscience and what the Buddhists knew
[52:57] already a long time ago is that
[52:59] certainty is not based on the evaluation
[53:02] of evidence. Certainty is more akin to a
[53:04] feeling.
[53:06] And it can be you can feel certain very
[53:09] much independent from the evidence.
[53:13] And I think we can look around a little
[53:15] bit at the world and what people are
[53:17] very sure about and it doesn't
[53:20] necessarily have much to do with
[53:21] evidence.
[53:22] And we can apply that to ourselves too.
[53:26] So um beware of certainty because it is
[53:30] a feeling and it is a pleasant feeling.
[53:32] We like it.
[53:34] We like to feel sure because it's
[53:37] comfortable. It's safe. Everything is
[53:39] settled. And we do not like the feeling
[53:42] of uncertainty.
[53:45] Uncertainty is not a pleasant feeling
[53:48] but it may be beneficial.
[53:52] Right? So, so it's interesting because
[53:54] in the classical list of 51 mental
[53:56] formations, doubt is classified as an
[53:59] unh wholesome mental formation.
[54:01] But our teacher kind of updated it. He
[54:03] said, well, actually doubt is very
[54:05] important. I mean, skepticism as a
[54:08] scientist is very important, but also as
[54:11] a spiritual practitioner, we should not
[54:13] be too sure. We should check, we should
[54:16] see for ourselves if possible.
[54:20] Uh so he's like trust but verify. You
[54:24] can have faith but you can also check.
[54:27] So he reclassified doubt as a um
[54:32] uh as an indeterminate mental formation.
[54:35] It can be positive or negative.
[54:38] So we have to be careful of our
[54:41] conviction. Our conviction that somebody
[54:43] is our enemy that we should drop bombs
[54:46] on them.
[54:48] you know, are we sure?
[54:53] And then
[54:55] the next one
[54:58] is mindfulness,
[55:09] which as we learned yesterday is smuty.
[55:16] And I'm now going to have to accelerate
[55:18] a little bit. So the next three are this
[55:20] trio. So it's easy to remember.
[55:23] Mindfulness,
[55:25] concentration,
[55:30] and insight.
[55:54] So the beauty of this is if so if we
[55:57] visualize this the the five universal
[56:00] mental formations as a neural pathway or
[56:03] as a a a habit that we've learned.
[56:09] Mindfulness can intervene in that neural
[56:13] pathway at any stage. Mindfulness can
[56:15] intervene at the stage of contact.
[56:19] A little bit difficult but possible can
[56:21] intervene at the stage of attention. We
[56:23] can decide we can look at what we are
[56:26] paying attention to and decide is it is
[56:28] it uh wholesome or unh wholesome. Is it
[56:32] beneficial or unbeneficial? Is it
[56:34] appropriate or inappropriate? Which
[56:36] direction is this taking me in?
[56:39] that only mindfulness can tell you. You
[56:41] have a chance to to examine the object
[56:44] of your attention. Is this going to take
[56:47] me in a beneficial direction or not? And
[56:49] that is freedom. You then have a choice.
[56:53] It can intervene at the stage of
[56:56] feeling. You can notice what kind of
[56:58] feeling do I have? Is it pleasant,
[57:01] unpleasant, neutral, mixed? It gives you
[57:05] space. It gives you the possibility to
[57:08] evaluate
[57:10] you know is this is this helpful or
[57:12] unhelpful. It can mindfulness can
[57:15] intervene at this stage of perception
[57:18] to ask am I sure
[57:23] because we are very sure.
[57:26] So this is a very this is a wonderful
[57:28] practice to ask am I sure? Am I sure
[57:31] about my perception that this is my
[57:34] friend that this is my enemy? Maybe my
[57:37] my perception that
[57:40] you know consciousness is a function of
[57:42] the brain or that my brain is a computer
[57:46] that my body is a machine.
[57:49] Even my perception that the person I'm
[57:52] seeing is a human being
[57:55] that is a perception based on linguistic
[57:58] categories.
[57:59] But there is no separate human,
[58:04] right? How do you have humans without
[58:06] chlorophyll,
[58:08] without photosynthesis,
[58:10] without all the green and growing things
[58:12] in the ocean and on the land?
[58:17] I don't think you'll find any humans
[58:18] without forests and algae,
[58:22] just as an example. And there are many
[58:25] others. So let's not be too sure about
[58:29] the objects of our perception.
[58:33] And of course mindfulness can also
[58:36] intervene at the stage of valition. You
[58:38] already have the intention. Our teacher
[58:40] sometimes gave the example of uh you
[58:43] know there's a there's a cake and you
[58:46] already see your hand reaching you know
[58:49] so you have a valition. You already have
[58:51] there's contact attention. This is
[58:54] special. There's a cake. Definitely
[58:56] going to pay attention to the cake. You
[58:58] have feelings. Oh yeah. You have a
[59:01] perception. This is good.
[59:04] And you have a vision. Cake.
[59:06] Want cake. Cake. Good. Eat cake.
[59:12] Very strong.
[59:14] But you still you're already going for
[59:15] the cake. But you have mindfulness can
[59:17] still step in and say,
[59:20] "Are you sure?
[59:23] Are you sure?
[59:26] It's like, oh, maybe I'm not hungry.
[59:30] Oh,
[59:31] I'm free. Free from cake.
[59:38] It's interesting.
[59:41] So mindfulness can intervene, but if
[59:44] mindfulness isn't strong enough, the
[59:45] habit will just you could be you notice.
[59:48] You say, "Oh, yeah. I have intention and
[59:50] I'm doing it. Oops.
[59:52] And I already did it. Oops.
[59:56] So mindfulness needs to be sustained
[59:59] for it to become powerful. This is
[1:00:01] mindfulness. Mindfulness already carries
[1:00:04] the flavor of concentration. It already
[1:00:06] has. It's not these are not really
[1:00:08] separate things. Okay? So we give them
[1:00:10] separate names but be careful of that as
[1:00:12] well. So mindfulness if it is sustained
[1:00:14] it naturally becomes concentration
[1:00:17] becomes more powerful and if we sustain
[1:00:19] concentration it naturally becomes
[1:00:22] insight
[1:00:24] and it's insight that can set us free.
[1:00:29] The thing is that very often we've
[1:00:31] already had the insight.
[1:00:34] So don't think when you've had the
[1:00:37] insight once that that's enough that
[1:00:39] then you're done because another
[1:00:41] function of mindfulness is to recollect
[1:00:44] the insight.
[1:00:46] So it's bringing the insight of the past
[1:00:49] into the present I know
[1:00:52] what is good for me
[1:00:55] I and I reactivate it. I bring it back
[1:00:58] to life.
[1:01:02] So these are all things for you to play
[1:01:05] with. Okay. In the next few days, this
[1:01:08] is this is you're in the laboratory.
[1:01:11] You're in the laboratory of your own
[1:01:13] firsterson direct experience.
[1:01:18] And you can be a scientist in that
[1:01:21] laboratory and run lots of little
[1:01:23] experiments. Say, well, what if I
[1:01:25] cultivate the energy of mindfulness?
[1:01:27] You could have a hypothesis. I will have
[1:01:29] more freedom as a hypothesis.
[1:01:32] And then you test is it true?
[1:01:36] I will have more insight. I will feel
[1:01:38] more joy. I will relax.
[1:01:42] I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. But if
[1:01:47] you don't try, you will not know.
[1:01:50] So this is just an invitation to uh to
[1:01:54] experiment.
[1:01:57] Thank you.
[1:02:04] Let's enjoy
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